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how much did caitlin tell you about zoom
[ Because 'it happened twice' is a pretty compelling argument for 'yes, trusting people is incredibly stupid, never do it' ]
[ Because 'it happened twice' is a pretty compelling argument for 'yes, trusting people is incredibly stupid, never do it' ]
It was Eddie who warned me, actually. And not much? Evil speedster with nebulous motivations about being the best?
[ Fuck. Does he really have to do this speech. Really. Does he have to go over it again? Then again, Caitlin should definitely not have to go through that. Barry either. And Harry just plain won't so. Looks like it's Cisco's job. ]
you could say that.
also, he's a complete psycho.
and he played us. just like eobard. you'd think we would've learned the first time. but instead of doing that, we trusted him. he was part of the team. he showed up and said he was the flash on earth-2 and we just believed him. he said he was a hero, but it turned out, not so much.
you could say that.
also, he's a complete psycho.
and he played us. just like eobard. you'd think we would've learned the first time. but instead of doing that, we trusted him. he was part of the team. he showed up and said he was the flash on earth-2 and we just believed him. he said he was a hero, but it turned out, not so much.
And it's not your fault for trusting him.
I'd rather trust people and be wrong sometimes than not trust anyone and be right sometimes.
I'd rather trust people and be wrong sometimes than not trust anyone and be right sometimes.
[ Oh fuck. Here he'd been hoping it was literally absolutely anything but that. Good. It's great. This is fine.
Cisco makes the executive decision that he is not dealing with this right now. Zoom's here and he's got to triage that first and........ this can wait. ]
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okay you know what i'm making the call we gonna table this for now cuz i'm at harry's workshop so brb
Cisco makes the executive decision that he is not dealing with this right now. Zoom's here and he's got to triage that first and........ this can wait. ]
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okay you know what i'm making the call we gonna table this for now cuz i'm at harry's workshop so brb
[ That went well. Hindsight reminds him that Darth Vader analogies were a thing, and are probably still very much a thing in Cisco's mind at the point in time he's from. Too little, too late. The damage is already done, and Cisco's right; they don't have time to deal with it now. ]
i'll meet you guys at your apartment later.
be careful, cisco.
i'll meet you guys at your apartment later.
be careful, cisco.
[ It's about 10 minutes before Cisco texts back, because he needs to relocate his chill first. Texting in anger is never a good idea and he's been trying to work on that, generally. Plus, he's already let poor Ray be the brunt of his misdirected anger way too many times. ]
i think it's a lot easier to make that choice from where you're standing. being betrayed like that is something that's never happened to you.
it's happened to me and caitlin and barry TWICE so please do me a favor and don't say shit like that to them. i know you, so i know you don't mean it like that, but it sounds really self-righteous.
i didn't tell you about zoom because i wanted a pep talk about the virtues of learning to trust again, ok? i just... told you because i felt bad about not telling you about dr. wells.
[ Right now he's regretting telling Ray at all. ]
i think it's a lot easier to make that choice from where you're standing. being betrayed like that is something that's never happened to you.
it's happened to me and caitlin and barry TWICE so please do me a favor and don't say shit like that to them. i know you, so i know you don't mean it like that, but it sounds really self-righteous.
i didn't tell you about zoom because i wanted a pep talk about the virtues of learning to trust again, ok? i just... told you because i felt bad about not telling you about dr. wells.
[ Right now he's regretting telling Ray at all. ]
[ It is honestly a blessing that Ray is A. Super chill and B. Completely aware none of Cisco's current anger is about him. ]
Look Cisco, you don't know what's happened to me so let's not make any assumptions.
Look Cisco, you don't know what's happened to me so let's not make any assumptions.
you're right. i shouldn't make assumptions. i don't actually know all that much about your life. why do we always gotta talk about me? i'm sick of it.
i'm all ears. or eyes. whatever. tell me about it?
[ Time to put up or shut up. And, y'know, also: if Ray has been through something similar, Cisco would actually want to offer his support. ]
i'm all ears. or eyes. whatever. tell me about it?
[ Time to put up or shut up. And, y'know, also: if Ray has been through something similar, Cisco would actually want to offer his support. ]
[ in a series of separate, rapid texts: ]
harry.
how did you manage to make today even worse?
not that i know of.
i don't think so.
do you have reason to think he might have?
harry.
how did you manage to make today even worse?
not that i know of.
i don't think so.
do you have reason to think he might have?
Seriously? A lot has happened. Some of it on the level of awful I'd really rather not talk about.
[ Stay the grossest forever, Eobard. ]
nothing just
suddenly wondering if any of the times i thought it was you it was really him and i didn't realize
no big deal.
[ IT IS A VERY BIG DEAL ]
nothing just
suddenly wondering if any of the times i thought it was you it was really him and i didn't realize
no big deal.
[ IT IS A VERY BIG DEAL ]
well then, talk about something you can talk about.
look i'm not trying to pressure you here, seriously, but you can't have it both ways. you can't accuse me of not knowing stuff about you and then refuse to tell me literally anything about you.
and i mean if i had my way i'd never talk about dr. wells or jay ever again but it's not like i have the luxury of that choice.
you're the one who's preaching the gospel of trust, but i'm the one with all my dirty laundry and shit out in the open and you just get to say 'no thanks'?
look i'm not trying to pressure you here, seriously, but you can't have it both ways. you can't accuse me of not knowing stuff about you and then refuse to tell me literally anything about you.
and i mean if i had my way i'd never talk about dr. wells or jay ever again but it's not like i have the luxury of that choice.
you're the one who's preaching the gospel of trust, but i'm the one with all my dirty laundry and shit out in the open and you just get to say 'no thanks'?
[ SIIIIGHS, thinking really hard about how to go about this without sounding angry, even though he kind of is. ]
Okay. So do you want specific instances of betrayal or are general traumatic experiences that might shake one's faith in humanity good too?
Okay. So do you want specific instances of betrayal or are general traumatic experiences that might shake one's faith in humanity good too?
[ Actually this is... pretty much the best way of dealing with this. It's logical. Better than the blind panic Cisco had been on the verge of. Anything over the devices ]
that time in the junkyard?
when barry was a girl?
mario maker?
listen don't laugh but maybe we should come up with some kind of- like a code word?
that time in the junkyard?
when barry was a girl?
mario maker?
listen don't laugh but maybe we should come up with some kind of- like a code word?
All me.
[ He grips his device tightly in a bit of suppressed rage and hurt — not at him, but at Thawne, at the whole situation, at the fact that he even has to raise these questions at all. He briefly types out "You know me" before opting to delete it. ]
I'd be more comfortable with some sort of code
[ He grips his device tightly in a bit of suppressed rage and hurt — not at him, but at Thawne, at the whole situation, at the fact that he even has to raise these questions at all. He briefly types out "You know me" before opting to delete it. ]
I'd be more comfortable with some sort of code
y'know what?
nevermind.
i'm not gonna be a part of this.
if sometime you actually honestly feel like opening up and talking to me about stuff, as a friend, you know that i'm always here, and i'll always be willing to listen.
but this right now? doesn't feel right. i don't wanna force you to talk about something you don't wanna talk about.
sorry i assumed wrong. i guess i just can't understand how someone could be as [ He types naive, thinks, erases it ] optimistic as you after going through whatever.
must be you're just a better person than me.
nevermind.
i'm not gonna be a part of this.
if sometime you actually honestly feel like opening up and talking to me about stuff, as a friend, you know that i'm always here, and i'll always be willing to listen.
but this right now? doesn't feel right. i don't wanna force you to talk about something you don't wanna talk about.
sorry i assumed wrong. i guess i just can't understand how someone could be as [ He types naive, thinks, erases it ] optimistic as you after going through whatever.
must be you're just a better person than me.
Edited 2016-05-26 04:08 (UTC)
good. then... no, i don't think he has. the thing with barry, it must have just been a crime of opportunity.
me too.
any ideas?
me too.
any ideas?
[ He has seriously no idea of how to deal with this. ]
It's not that I don't trust you. I don't want to make this into some messed competition on who has a better reason to be jaded.
And I'm fine, ultimately. I fuck up, I go over why I fucked up, I take steps to stop it from happening again. But when it comes to people, to trusting, I'm gonna fuck up every time. I'll risk my mission and my life and the life of my teammates on a complete stranger because I believe everyone deserves a chance.
That doesn't make me better than anyone. Hell, anyone who knows me will tell you it makes me an idiot. But I'm okay with that, I'd rather be a happy idiot than a jaded genius.
It's not that I don't trust you. I don't want to make this into some messed competition on who has a better reason to be jaded.
And I'm fine, ultimately. I fuck up, I go over why I fucked up, I take steps to stop it from happening again. But when it comes to people, to trusting, I'm gonna fuck up every time. I'll risk my mission and my life and the life of my teammates on a complete stranger because I believe everyone deserves a chance.
That doesn't make me better than anyone. Hell, anyone who knows me will tell you it makes me an idiot. But I'm okay with that, I'd rather be a happy idiot than a jaded genius.
[ That hint of brusqueness startles him out of the fog still further. Pure, 100% Harry. Because there IS a difference, a huge difference, and he knows it. Of course he can tell them apart. He has to believe that. New years was a long while ago and Barry had been drunk; Barry is not used to being drunk.
The code word is just a last resort. A safety net. They may never even need to use it.
But it's got to be something Eobard couldn't possibly know. Unconnected to any commonly known name or place or event. Something just the two of them know about. ]
dopamine?
The code word is just a last resort. A safety net. They may never even need to use it.
But it's got to be something Eobard couldn't possibly know. Unconnected to any commonly known name or place or event. Something just the two of them know about. ]
dopamine?
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