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[ It strikes him how different this is to last time. How it's him talking Harry into letting him be bait, not him being talked into it by someone else. ]
i'm sure.
it's the right thing to do.
he's been trying to get me to forgive him ever since we showed up.
it should be easy.
[ All information that Harry knows, and Cisco knows he knows it. He just is repeating it to remind himself, too. ]
i'm sure.
it's the right thing to do.
he's been trying to get me to forgive him ever since we showed up.
it should be easy.
[ All information that Harry knows, and Cisco knows he knows it. He just is repeating it to remind himself, too. ]
seriously, ray. seriously. you may be the coolest person i have ever met right now. you turned yourself into a giant with science and then decapitated a massive evil robot, in the future. it's like i can hear michael bay salivating from here.
it's been 2.5 years for you since we last talked????
okay i need to know how you got stuck in the 50s and why and also what the hell.
did rip just like, ditch you?
was it some kind of undercover thing?
it's been 2.5 years for you since we last talked????
okay i need to know how you got stuck in the 50s and why and also what the hell.
did rip just like, ditch you?
was it some kind of undercover thing?
my memories are kind of weird and non-linear but yeah, 2.5 years. the 50's were an accident, the ship was attacked and they time-jumped before we could board.
i was stuck with sara and kendra, we thought everyone else was dead. it wasn't that bad though, once we got settled down and got jobs.
i was stuck with sara and kendra, we thought everyone else was dead. it wasn't that bad though, once we got settled down and got jobs.
You are one of his blind spots
[ As much as it pains him to admit that. Funny, how he'd gone from laughing callously at Thawne murdering him in an erased timeline to immediately being concerned over putting him in Thawne's proximity. How things change, how they change. ]
It goes without saying
That you need to be extremely careful
[ As much as it pains him to admit that. Funny, how he'd gone from laughing callously at Thawne murdering him in an erased timeline to immediately being concerned over putting him in Thawne's proximity. How things change, how they change. ]
It goes without saying
That you need to be extremely careful
being stranded for two years because of an accident still majorly sucks though.
i mean at least you guys had each other to help you get through your little reverse blast from the past. what was your 1950s job? wasn't like you could do anything where you might reveal tech that could change the timeline...
i mean at least you guys had each other to help you get through your little reverse blast from the past. what was your 1950s job? wasn't like you could do anything where you might reveal tech that could change the timeline...
i know.
believe me.
[ Cisco knows why Harry is saying it, though. His fear of Eobard is not always enough to conquer his reckless anger at him, that bitterness and defiance that might bubble up at any moment - like it had just now when he'd replied to that stupid post on the network. He knows his judgement is compromised. Eobard was one of Cisco's blind spots, too, in a very different way. ]
i'm gonna come by the workshop and we can talk containment.
i'll try not to antagonize him anymore.
i just want it OVER
believe me.
[ Cisco knows why Harry is saying it, though. His fear of Eobard is not always enough to conquer his reckless anger at him, that bitterness and defiance that might bubble up at any moment - like it had just now when he'd replied to that stupid post on the network. He knows his judgement is compromised. Eobard was one of Cisco's blind spots, too, in a very different way. ]
i'm gonna come by the workshop and we can talk containment.
i'll try not to antagonize him anymore.
i just want it OVER
it wasn't that bad, actually. we got jobs at the local university, i taught bill gates' dad.
the waverider came back like three seconds before i proposed. that part sucked.
the waverider came back like three seconds before i proposed. that part sucked.
I know
So do I
I've been done with this for awhile now myself
[ And Cisco knows exactly why, too, after that phone stunt. But that's peanuts compared to what he and Allen and Snow have dealt with; the thought of that makes Harrison's blood boil again. ]
We'll figure it out
So do I
I've been done with this for awhile now myself
[ And Cisco knows exactly why, too, after that phone stunt. But that's peanuts compared to what he and Allen and Snow have dealt with; the thought of that makes Harrison's blood boil again. ]
We'll figure it out
but no internet, ray. NO INTERNET.
[ The mental image of Ray as a university professor in some tweedy nightmare outfit IS pretty amusing though. ]
i guess a timeship rocking up would sort of ruin the romantic moment.
[ Cisco reads back over the conversation for context clues but nope, he really is going to just have to ask: ]
...wait to which one of them.
you don't mean to both of them right.
pretty sure people weren't really down with that in the 50s
though people weren't down with a lot of shit in the 50s
[ The mental image of Ray as a university professor in some tweedy nightmare outfit IS pretty amusing though. ]
i guess a timeship rocking up would sort of ruin the romantic moment.
[ Cisco reads back over the conversation for context clues but nope, he really is going to just have to ask: ]
...wait to which one of them.
you don't mean to both of them right.
pretty sure people weren't really down with that in the 50s
though people weren't down with a lot of shit in the 50s
Soooo I had no idea that you and Dr. Wells were from the same world.
okay a) how do you know that. i mean it's not a secret or anything but why bring it up now?
b) which dr. wells are you talking about?
b) which dr. wells are you talking about?
a) I saw your memory. There was probably a better way to say that, but I didn't want to hold that over you or anything.
b) There's more than one????
b) There's more than one????
a) ...what was it a memory of, specifically.
no dude i appreciate the heads up
one of those weird doors into nothing, right?
b) it's complicated. there's a doppelganger situation. do you know which username he uses? like for the network.
no dude i appreciate the heads up
one of those weird doors into nothing, right?
b) it's complicated. there's a doppelganger situation. do you know which username he uses? like for the network.
a) Unfortunately. I opened the door and there it was.
Don't hate me: it was your job interview at STAR Labs. Your very first "real job" interview.
b) Shit. I thought I'd escaped the doppelgangers. His username is h.wells.
I met him in person first. He seemed a little formal?
[The word Tyler wants is "stuffy." But that seems rude when Cisco admires the guy more than anything.]
Don't hate me: it was your job interview at STAR Labs. Your very first "real job" interview.
b) Shit. I thought I'd escaped the doppelgangers. His username is h.wells.
I met him in person first. He seemed a little formal?
[The word Tyler wants is "stuffy." But that seems rude when Cisco admires the guy more than anything.]
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[ Wow, that's a quick trip down memory lane - he had blurted something about that, hadn't he? He'd been so nervous. Thinking back on the memory is bitter and unpleasant, but for different reasons. ]
god i really said that didn't i? disaster.
okay, yeah, see, h.wells aka harry isn't actually the guy from that memory
he's the version of harrison wells from a universe that's a very near parallel to mine. we call it earth-2.
i did know him before we both came here, but we met a couple years later and the wells you saw in that interview is not the same guy
[ ...and he's just going to leave out the part where that other Wells was a boysnatching psycho murderer from the future because he really doesn't know Tyler well enough to get into any of that, if his life isn't in imminent danger from Eobard. ]
doppelganger bullshit is inescapable as far as i can tell.
unfortunately.
(i met mine once. he was evil. there was leather and 'come to the dark side' speeches. it was embarrassing.)
god i really said that didn't i? disaster.
okay, yeah, see, h.wells aka harry isn't actually the guy from that memory
he's the version of harrison wells from a universe that's a very near parallel to mine. we call it earth-2.
i did know him before we both came here, but we met a couple years later and the wells you saw in that interview is not the same guy
[ ...and he's just going to leave out the part where that other Wells was a boysnatching psycho murderer from the future because he really doesn't know Tyler well enough to get into any of that, if his life isn't in imminent danger from Eobard. ]
doppelganger bullshit is inescapable as far as i can tell.
unfortunately.
(i met mine once. he was evil. there was leather and 'come to the dark side' speeches. it was embarrassing.)
If it helps, I thought it was cute.
[It probably doesn't. Sorry, Cisco.]
Okay, so the guy you met PRETENDED to be Dr. Wells but wasn't actually Dr. Wells. ngl, that sounds like a Tuesday.
Is his doppelganger here? Or was this a crazy thing that happened back home?
You don't need to tell me more, btw. Evil doppelgangers are super common.
(I'm so sorry. Did he have cookies? Because that speech is pointless without cookies.)
[It probably doesn't. Sorry, Cisco.]
Okay, so the guy you met PRETENDED to be Dr. Wells but wasn't actually Dr. Wells. ngl, that sounds like a Tuesday.
Is his doppelganger here? Or was this a crazy thing that happened back home?
You don't need to tell me more, btw. Evil doppelgangers are super common.
(I'm so sorry. Did he have cookies? Because that speech is pointless without cookies.)
cute's not really what they tell you to aim for in a job interview. but thanks, dude.
[ A few months ago, he would have already made up his mind not to tell Tyler anything. But now... things are changing. He's got no intention of keeping Eobard's secrets for him for much longer. ]
i can tell you more if you want, but if i do i gotta warn you, it could put you in danger if i do
so
just bear that in mind
no, there were no cookies. like if i switched teams and became a bad guy i would definitely include cookies with the pitch. no need to lose your sense of humor. but no it was just guyliner and fully unironic 'together you and i could rule the world' shit
[ A few months ago, he would have already made up his mind not to tell Tyler anything. But now... things are changing. He's got no intention of keeping Eobard's secrets for him for much longer. ]
i can tell you more if you want, but if i do i gotta warn you, it could put you in danger if i do
so
just bear that in mind
no, there were no cookies. like if i switched teams and became a bad guy i would definitely include cookies with the pitch. no need to lose your sense of humor. but no it was just guyliner and fully unironic 'together you and i could rule the world' shit
I can handle it. If we're sharing secrets around a metaphorical campfire, I used to be a werewolf.
It's a long story.
REALLY long story.
But I promise, his (your?) secret's safe with me.
Ow. That's rough. See, in my world, when most people turn evil, they just become an asshole. The guyliner sounds worse.
It's a long story.
REALLY long story.
But I promise, his (your?) secret's safe with me.
Ow. That's rough. See, in my world, when most people turn evil, they just become an asshole. The guyliner sounds worse.
USED to be?
i'd love to hear that story sometime, if you feel like telling it. we definitely don't have werewolves where i'm from.
this one's a long story too but i'll try to keep it brief.
dude named eobard from the future has superpowers that let him travel in time
dude travels back 170 years ish, bodysnatches famous scientist named harrison wells
dude pretends to be harrison wells for the next decade and a half for creepy nefarious reasons because he's a creepy nefarious guy
at some point in there, he interviews me and hires me for a job, which is what you saw.
now the harry you know IS harrison wells, just from a mirror universe, where he didn't get murdered by a psycho from the future.
i only warned you because eobard is here and he has a history of murdering people who find out his real identity
so you know
since you probably wanna NOT let that happen, best not mention any of this, especially on the network.
he had a stupid hairdo, too. he looked like a rejected extra from the matrix.
i'd love to hear that story sometime, if you feel like telling it. we definitely don't have werewolves where i'm from.
this one's a long story too but i'll try to keep it brief.
dude named eobard from the future has superpowers that let him travel in time
dude travels back 170 years ish, bodysnatches famous scientist named harrison wells
dude pretends to be harrison wells for the next decade and a half for creepy nefarious reasons because he's a creepy nefarious guy
at some point in there, he interviews me and hires me for a job, which is what you saw.
now the harry you know IS harrison wells, just from a mirror universe, where he didn't get murdered by a psycho from the future.
i only warned you because eobard is here and he has a history of murdering people who find out his real identity
so you know
since you probably wanna NOT let that happen, best not mention any of this, especially on the network.
he had a stupid hairdo, too. he looked like a rejected extra from the matrix.
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I don't mind. It's just "How I Met Your Mother" long.
[He's half-right; technically, it's a five-season story versus nine.]
Shit. I've heard of a lot, but time travel??
That's new.
I don't have a death wish or anything, so don't worry.
The warning's super appreciated, though. I didn't even realize they were both here.
Just so we're clear: you mean doppelgangers like people from other universes, and not "identical copies of a person born every 500 years?"
[He's half-right; technically, it's a five-season story versus nine.]
Shit. I've heard of a lot, but time travel??
That's new.
I don't have a death wish or anything, so don't worry.
The warning's super appreciated, though. I didn't even realize they were both here.
Just so we're clear: you mean doppelgangers like people from other universes, and not "identical copies of a person born every 500 years?"
call it a spinoff? 'how i met my lycanthropy'?
you can always tell it to me over coffee sometime if your fingers will literally fall off.
yeah they're both here
it's pretty easy to spot the difference in person
harry's got an undercut & he's 'a little formal' i.e. he's a real dick sometimes. but he's a good person.
eobard's polite and charming and a stone cold irredeemably evil monster
so hopefully that'll help you tell them apart
other universes, not the 500 years kind, though caroline told me you guys have those, which is totally wild to me.
guess what you're used to just depends where you're from
see to me werewolves is mind boggling but time travel like
stopped being anything to write home about months ago
you can always tell it to me over coffee sometime if your fingers will literally fall off.
yeah they're both here
it's pretty easy to spot the difference in person
harry's got an undercut & he's 'a little formal' i.e. he's a real dick sometimes. but he's a good person.
eobard's polite and charming and a stone cold irredeemably evil monster
so hopefully that'll help you tell them apart
other universes, not the 500 years kind, though caroline told me you guys have those, which is totally wild to me.
guess what you're used to just depends where you're from
see to me werewolves is mind boggling but time travel like
stopped being anything to write home about months ago
Thanks. I think I'll take you up on that. 👍
I've tried to come up with a short version and it's still tl;dr.
Noted. I've definitely only met Dr. Wells.
I'd remember the charming types. They're usually worse than assholes.
She brought up Katherine already??? I'm kinda surprised. Katherine's a bitch, but we haven't had to worry about her in a while.
I wish werewolves were mind boggling. It runs in my family.
I don't know a ton about genetics, but I turned my gene off.
I want it to stay that way.
I'd offer a trade but it doesn't sound like either of us are rolling in sunshine and rainbows.
I've tried to come up with a short version and it's still tl;dr.
Noted. I've definitely only met Dr. Wells.
I'd remember the charming types. They're usually worse than assholes.
She brought up Katherine already??? I'm kinda surprised. Katherine's a bitch, but we haven't had to worry about her in a while.
I wish werewolves were mind boggling. It runs in my family.
I don't know a ton about genetics, but I turned my gene off.
I want it to stay that way.
I'd offer a trade but it doesn't sound like either of us are rolling in sunshine and rainbows.
[ When Tyler says that about 'charming types', Cisco thinks about Eobard, then about Jay, and quickly fires back: ]
you're not wrong
[ The question about Katherine is easy enough to answer in theory, but Cisco does feel slightly awkward about it. ]
yeah see so funnily enough what happened was
that doppelganger i told you about showed up here briefly and sorta took over my body, and he was a total dick to caroline so she vamped out and shut it down hard
but that meant that when he was gone i remembered so she and i had a nice chat where i apologized about my evil twin's cameo and she explained how she died.
so it's purely genetic?
i guess that shouldn't surprise me.
on my world, metahumans got their powers because of the way a dark matter explosion from a particle accelerator altered their dna
i don't know. things aren't always great in central city but we've got some sunshine and some rainbows, if you know the right way to look.
sure there are supervillains and that sucks but
there are superheroes, too
and even before there were superheroes there were still murderers and kidnappers and gangsters and awful people doing awful things.
so really i think of it as a glass half full either way.
you're not wrong
[ The question about Katherine is easy enough to answer in theory, but Cisco does feel slightly awkward about it. ]
yeah see so funnily enough what happened was
that doppelganger i told you about showed up here briefly and sorta took over my body, and he was a total dick to caroline so she vamped out and shut it down hard
but that meant that when he was gone i remembered so she and i had a nice chat where i apologized about my evil twin's cameo and she explained how she died.
so it's purely genetic?
i guess that shouldn't surprise me.
on my world, metahumans got their powers because of the way a dark matter explosion from a particle accelerator altered their dna
i don't know. things aren't always great in central city but we've got some sunshine and some rainbows, if you know the right way to look.
sure there are supervillains and that sucks but
there are superheroes, too
and even before there were superheroes there were still murderers and kidnappers and gangsters and awful people doing awful things.
so really i think of it as a glass half full either way.
Shit....
Sorry you got to experience that first-hand. Caroline's super badass.
[He is also the proudest boyfriend, if that's not even remotely clear yet.]
But yeah, it wasn't a pretty story. I remember more of it too, and Katherine's only the beginning of evil doppelgangers.
Her best friend ALSO has an evil twin. I haven't told her yet.
Not because it's a secret but because there hasn't been a need.
Also btw it's hard to go "yo, your best friend's got an evil twin, just keep an eye out."
100% genetic.
It's triggered by violence, and while I'm glad this place is peaceful
I don't want to get in a situation where I need to wolf out.
That's true. You've got a better outlook on things than half the people on my life.
Think we could move that coffee date up to whenever you're free?
Sorry you got to experience that first-hand. Caroline's super badass.
[He is also the proudest boyfriend, if that's not even remotely clear yet.]
But yeah, it wasn't a pretty story. I remember more of it too, and Katherine's only the beginning of evil doppelgangers.
Her best friend ALSO has an evil twin. I haven't told her yet.
Not because it's a secret but because there hasn't been a need.
Also btw it's hard to go "yo, your best friend's got an evil twin, just keep an eye out."
100% genetic.
It's triggered by violence, and while I'm glad this place is peaceful
I don't want to get in a situation where I need to wolf out.
That's true. You've got a better outlook on things than half the people on my life.
Think we could move that coffee date up to whenever you're free?
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