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Okay fine, fine, have it your way. I'll wait up for you, do you want me to heat something up?
I could definitely send more pics. Give me a second, I might need some props. ;)
[Then he gets that second text, and suddenly, he's smiling, hand over his mouth.]
Honestly, with all the baggage my last name has, I would be fine taking yours. Or making something up.
Eddie Ramon, though. Thoughts?
I could definitely send more pics. Give me a second, I might need some props. ;)
[Then he gets that second text, and suddenly, he's smiling, hand over his mouth.]
Honestly, with all the baggage my last name has, I would be fine taking yours. Or making something up.
Eddie Ramon, though. Thoughts?
naw i've been gorging myself on candy
i know, i know. i promise i'll eat a carrot later or something.
props????? 😯
[ Cisco feels like the chances of him accidentally dropping a wrench on his foot in surprise and distraction just skyrocketed ]
eddie ramon? i love it.
[ It might just be a text, but Eddie can probably sense the relief in it. Cisco is actually rather attached to his name, for a lot of reasons. And- well. It doesn't even need to be said that calling himself Thawne might come with a few complications, and bad associations. ]
okay but is that 'fine' like 'i guess it'll do' or 'fine' like 'i actually like this idea'?
it's an important choice so you don't gotta decide right away.
i know, i know. i promise i'll eat a carrot later or something.
props????? 😯
[ Cisco feels like the chances of him accidentally dropping a wrench on his foot in surprise and distraction just skyrocketed ]
eddie ramon? i love it.
[ It might just be a text, but Eddie can probably sense the relief in it. Cisco is actually rather attached to his name, for a lot of reasons. And- well. It doesn't even need to be said that calling himself Thawne might come with a few complications, and bad associations. ]
okay but is that 'fine' like 'i guess it'll do' or 'fine' like 'i actually like this idea'?
it's an important choice so you don't gotta decide right away.
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I'm more worried about you eating some protein, honestly. Though a carrot wouldn't hurt.
Mmmmhmmmmmm. ;) ;) ;) I can think of a few.
Seriously, though. It's 'fine' like 'I actually like this idea.' I wasn't sure if your name had any baggage for you, but mine definitely does. For both of us, I think.
[And he'd never felt that before, not really. Even when he hadn't been on great terms with his dad, he'd never really wanted to completely reject his surname. But Eobard had done that to him. Made him feel that way.]
And I really, really like how Eddie Ramon sounds. Have you tried saying it out loud? It sounds good.
Mmmmhmmmmmm. ;) ;) ;) I can think of a few.
Seriously, though. It's 'fine' like 'I actually like this idea.' I wasn't sure if your name had any baggage for you, but mine definitely does. For both of us, I think.
[And he'd never felt that before, not really. Even when he hadn't been on great terms with his dad, he'd never really wanted to completely reject his surname. But Eobard had done that to him. Made him feel that way.]
And I really, really like how Eddie Ramon sounds. Have you tried saying it out loud? It sounds good.
i actually kind of love my name
i think it's an inverse thing where people made me hate it when i was a kid so when i got to a certain age loving it became a spite thing
eddie ramon.
it sounds good. really really good.
i think it's an inverse thing where people made me hate it when i was a kid so when i got to a certain age loving it became a spite thing
eddie ramon.
it sounds good. really really good.
I get that. I was never really that attached to my name. My dad tried to get me to be, but I never quite bought in. You know? It's just a name, and now when I hear it, and the prospect of getting married using it...not so exciting.
You love your name, and so do I. So let's do it. I'll become a Ramon.
You love your name, and so do I. So let's do it. I'll become a Ramon.
eddie ramon. detective eddie ramon. you know the more i type it the more i like it.
but if you change your mind that's okay, too.
you've got some time to think about it and all that.
but if you change your mind that's okay, too.
you've got some time to think about it and all that.
Detective Eddie Ramon. Man, that sounds good.
I do. But I don't think I will.
[A few moments later in another text.]
I might have given it a little thought. Once or twice over the past year.
I do. But I don't think I will.
[A few moments later in another text.]
I might have given it a little thought. Once or twice over the past year.
please tell me there was at some point at least one little piece of paper that you practiced your 'eddie ramon' signature on, possibly surrounded by hearts...
[ Cisco hadn't thought about it all before the last few days, but then, Eddie's proposal had been a surprise, so it makes sense. ]
[ Cisco hadn't thought about it all before the last few days, but then, Eddie's proposal had been a surprise, so it makes sense. ]
Maybe there was, but if such a thing did exist, I definitely destroyed it. ;)
I think.
I think.
Too bad, you say, as if you couldn't find that slip of paper if you REALLY tried. ;)
true, true
but it's not like i'm never gonna see you writing that name in the future
so it's not a huge loss even if i didn't.
but it's not like i'm never gonna see you writing that name in the future
so it's not a huge loss even if i didn't.
You've got a point. Now that we're settled on it, you might just see a scrap of signature practice runs lying around.
Who knows? There might be hearts. ;)
Promise you won't laugh.
Who knows? There might be hearts. ;)
Promise you won't laugh.
[After her talk with Eddie a few weeks ago, Claudia's had some ideas brewing. Ideas that, now, she needed additional input on. And Cisco was the best person to go to for this.]
» Yo
» You busy rn?
» Got some ?s to run by you about that Wells asshole.
[Yeah, she's not even gonna curb her salt toward this guy. He'd started off on the wrong foot with her for the screenname he'd chosen, and after Eddie explained some details? Yeahhhhh, she's not a fan and she doesn't care who knows it, mmkay.]
» Yo
» You busy rn?
» Got some ?s to run by you about that Wells asshole.
[Yeah, she's not even gonna curb her salt toward this guy. He'd started off on the wrong foot with her for the screenname he'd chosen, and after Eddie explained some details? Yeahhhhh, she's not a fan and she doesn't care who knows it, mmkay.]
[ Cisco is never too busy to text Claudia, and especially not when he gets that third line. ]
you mean the guy going by h wells on the network, right? cuz you know he's not really named wells...
[ Which is Cisco's way of putting out feelers for just how much Claudia knows. ]
anyway consider me jeeves and ask away.
you mean the guy going by h wells on the network, right? cuz you know he's not really named wells...
[ Which is Cisco's way of putting out feelers for just how much Claudia knows. ]
anyway consider me jeeves and ask away.
honestly i'd be disappointed if there WEREN'T hearts
promise. but i may smile. possibly something in the neighborhood of a smug grin.
promise. but i may smile. possibly something in the neighborhood of a smug grin.
» Yeah, I talked to Eddie.
» He told me what happened...back home. What he had to do.
» He also told me a little bit about Eobard's powers
» Scale of 1 to NO DON'T DO THAT...what do you think my Tesla would do to him? You know, if I ever needed to defend myself against him and all...
» He told me what happened...back home. What he had to do.
» He also told me a little bit about Eobard's powers
» Scale of 1 to NO DON'T DO THAT...what do you think my Tesla would do to him? You know, if I ever needed to defend myself against him and all...
he told you about eobard being his great great grandkid and why he shot himself, sounds like.
did he say anything about anything that happened before that? like between eobard and him? or me?
[ Cisco wants to make sure they're on the same page, here; a part of him knows this is his brain just scrambling to get control of the situation because it's stressful, but he hates not knowing exactly what Eddie had said, and how he'd said it, and how much he'd told her. ]
don't put yourself in a situation where you need to defend yourself against him
honestly i get that a situation like that isn't always entirely 100% avoidable but
the gun probably won't do anything if he sees it coming
speedsters can move fast enough to travel through time; if you want to shoot them with any kind of gun and have it do shit you have to completely surprise them, and in my experience he's not a man who lets his guard down.
did he say anything about anything that happened before that? like between eobard and him? or me?
[ Cisco wants to make sure they're on the same page, here; a part of him knows this is his brain just scrambling to get control of the situation because it's stressful, but he hates not knowing exactly what Eddie had said, and how he'd said it, and how much he'd told her. ]
don't put yourself in a situation where you need to defend yourself against him
honestly i get that a situation like that isn't always entirely 100% avoidable but
the gun probably won't do anything if he sees it coming
speedsters can move fast enough to travel through time; if you want to shoot them with any kind of gun and have it do shit you have to completely surprise them, and in my experience he's not a man who lets his guard down.
» No...
» What happened?
[She doesn't think she's going to like the answer to that question. It's just that ball of lead in her gut feeling. Like how she felt when Pete kept telling her to go back to the car. She knows something's seriously major-bad-wrong, but she doesn't know what and she's going to run full force right to the seriously major-bad-wrong thing until she can see it with her own eyes.]
» I don't really intend to, like, on purpose or anything.
» But I know the psychopath type and they don't always give you an option and I'd rather be prepared than not.
» I was worried about it amping him up or something if I got a shot in, in a dire-need situation. Since Eddie said something about electricity. And...that's literally all that gun is.
» He doesn't really sound like the kind of guy I wanna give a power up bar too, here.
» What happened?
[She doesn't think she's going to like the answer to that question. It's just that ball of lead in her gut feeling. Like how she felt when Pete kept telling her to go back to the car. She knows something's seriously major-bad-wrong, but she doesn't know what and she's going to run full force right to the seriously major-bad-wrong thing until she can see it with her own eyes.]
» I don't really intend to, like, on purpose or anything.
» But I know the psychopath type and they don't always give you an option and I'd rather be prepared than not.
» I was worried about it amping him up or something if I got a shot in, in a dire-need situation. Since Eddie said something about electricity. And...that's literally all that gun is.
» He doesn't really sound like the kind of guy I wanna give a power up bar too, here.
[ Cisco starts with facts and strategies because it's just easier to think about. ]
no, they don't always give you an option
it won't give him a power boost, speed powers do generate lightning but he can't plug himself into a socket and get stronger
if your tesla shot tachyons that would be a different matter, but electricity won't do that.
cold is your best option for fending off a speedster if i'm being honest, but the ultimate best option is to stay the hell away from him.
don't talk to him, don't go near him, just... treat him like you would treat a giant snake.
[ Now, for the harder answer. Which Cisco would very much like to weasel out of. ]
what happened is some really bad shit went down.
next question? you said you had more than one.
no, they don't always give you an option
it won't give him a power boost, speed powers do generate lightning but he can't plug himself into a socket and get stronger
if your tesla shot tachyons that would be a different matter, but electricity won't do that.
cold is your best option for fending off a speedster if i'm being honest, but the ultimate best option is to stay the hell away from him.
don't talk to him, don't go near him, just... treat him like you would treat a giant snake.
[ Now, for the harder answer. Which Cisco would very much like to weasel out of. ]
what happened is some really bad shit went down.
next question? you said you had more than one.
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» That's good to know, at least.
» tachyons aren't... still just hypothetical in your world. Why am I even surprised.
» Cold, 'kay.
» I don't plan to, but you know as well as I do, better if we're honest here, how the Clock works and doesn't always like giving us choices in things, too.
[Oh, sorry, bro, did you think you were gonna evade that so easily?]
» You kinda answered it already, because I wanted to know what would be best to defend against him in the worst possible if/when needed scenario available.
» P.S. I hope you didn't think "really bad shit" would be covering this portion of the conversation and I'd just take it and drop it.
» You don't get to be that cryptic and not tell me why.
[And if she's a little snappy, well, it's because he's put her a little on edge with all the "Do Not Go Near" warnings. The allusions to bad things happening to him and Eddie before Eddie played his Big Dumb Hero move (and God, how fitting and spot-on true to what she knew about Eddie that seemed) didn't exactly help.]
» You and Eddie are some of the only people I have here, Cisco.
» If this douchenozzle is gonna seek you out for some reason, I NEED to know. And I need to know why.
» tachyons aren't... still just hypothetical in your world. Why am I even surprised.
» Cold, 'kay.
» I don't plan to, but you know as well as I do, better if we're honest here, how the Clock works and doesn't always like giving us choices in things, too.
[Oh, sorry, bro, did you think you were gonna evade that so easily?]
» You kinda answered it already, because I wanted to know what would be best to defend against him in the worst possible if/when needed scenario available.
» P.S. I hope you didn't think "really bad shit" would be covering this portion of the conversation and I'd just take it and drop it.
» You don't get to be that cryptic and not tell me why.
[And if she's a little snappy, well, it's because he's put her a little on edge with all the "Do Not Go Near" warnings. The allusions to bad things happening to him and Eddie before Eddie played his Big Dumb Hero move (and God, how fitting and spot-on true to what she knew about Eddie that seemed) didn't exactly help.]
» You and Eddie are some of the only people I have here, Cisco.
» If this douchenozzle is gonna seek you out for some reason, I NEED to know. And I need to know why.
there's a lot of shit that's not hypothetical in my world
cold is the opposite of speed. still not a good idea to try to mess with him but if push comes to shove, i figure, good for you to know that.
in a second-worst-case scenario where you aren't sure he's 100% decided to hurt you, try to appeal to his logic. not to say anything nice about him ever, but he doesn't tend to kill people unless he feels like he has a good reason, especially if he sees them as useful. you're smart so he would probably think of you as a potential resource.
[ Guess who has two thumbs and feels a little nauseous after typing that? This guy. Just as well, because there's no way to get through this conversation without a whole lot of bad feelings getting dredged up. At least, in a way, it's easier over text. There's a distance which helps. ]
i wasn't trying to be cryptic i just wanted to warn you this isn't idly curiosity stuff.
....okay maybe i was trying to be a little cryptic.
but i'll tell you.
[ He just... needs a minute to figure out how he's going to word it. ]
cold is the opposite of speed. still not a good idea to try to mess with him but if push comes to shove, i figure, good for you to know that.
in a second-worst-case scenario where you aren't sure he's 100% decided to hurt you, try to appeal to his logic. not to say anything nice about him ever, but he doesn't tend to kill people unless he feels like he has a good reason, especially if he sees them as useful. you're smart so he would probably think of you as a potential resource.
[ Guess who has two thumbs and feels a little nauseous after typing that? This guy. Just as well, because there's no way to get through this conversation without a whole lot of bad feelings getting dredged up. At least, in a way, it's easier over text. There's a distance which helps. ]
i wasn't trying to be cryptic i just wanted to warn you this isn't idly curiosity stuff.
....okay maybe i was trying to be a little cryptic.
but i'll tell you.
[ He just... needs a minute to figure out how he's going to word it. ]
[ The second text comes after about three or four minutes of wording and rewording. ]
the really bad shit summary:
he kidnapped eddie and kept him tied up and alone in a basement for almost two weeks without feeding him and saying all this messed up shit to him that really screwed with his head. but he's probably not gonna seek eddie out, because he looks down on him because he's the worst.
before that he used to be like a hero to me, we worked together and we were really close, or i thought so, until i discovered he was secretly a supervillain and he murdered me. because he's the worst.
the really bad shit summary:
he kidnapped eddie and kept him tied up and alone in a basement for almost two weeks without feeding him and saying all this messed up shit to him that really screwed with his head. but he's probably not gonna seek eddie out, because he looks down on him because he's the worst.
before that he used to be like a hero to me, we worked together and we were really close, or i thought so, until i discovered he was secretly a supervillain and he murdered me. because he's the worst.
» I'm beginning to really piece that all together, dude.
» Makes sense. I don't particularly want to need to use the info, but I'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it.
» Oh, so he's a NICE psychopath that only kills when he HAS TO.
[The sarcasm is strong in that last text. He can probably hear it perfectly in her voice, even. She's really, really, really starting to hate this not!Wells guy already. And Cisco hasn't even gotten to the bad part yet.
She waits--impatiently checking her phone to make sure she hasn't missed a ping--as he sorts out the explanation of things. And when she does finally get those pings? Well, she's not sure what she was expecting, but it definitely wasn't any of this.
The part about Eddie is bad enough all on its own. She'd already been told about his sacrifice and to think it wasn't all that long before that, that his too-many-greats grandson or whatthefrackever Eobard even was to him (she doesn't even care, really) had kidnapped him, psychologically tortured him, starved him...she already feels sick.
And if that was bad, the next part was a hundred-fold worse. Because the part she zoned in on in the text Cisco sent about himself was 'and he murdered me'. It all hit her way too close too home. Her parents. Her brother. Jinks. Suddenly, her eyes are too clouded to see the screen and the phone falls from her hands as she reaches up to press the palms of her hands to her eyes.
No.
NO.
NO!
This doesn't get to keep happening. She doesn't get to keep being forced to suffer losses of people she cares about. She doesn't care that it already happened, that all of these things he's telling her are in the past now, that somehow he's okay and that Eddie, God, that Eddie isn't even there back in their world to feel the pain of all of it anymore. That doesn't matter. By all accounts and technicalities, so is Jinks' death, according to H.G.'s own testimonies about the future in her world. But that doesn't make it hurt any less. That doesn't make any of this okay.
So...it's a few minutes before he gets a reply and there may be some typos when he does.]
» I'm sorry.
» I'm so sorry.
» I didn't knnow. I woildn't have pressed, I should have just dropped it, I didn't mean to brfing all of this back up.
» It won't happen again. I swear to God, Cisco, if I have a single ounce of a say in anything, this fucking asshole will never hurrt either one of you again.
» I don't care who he is oor what he is or what powers he has, nothing and no oen is hurting or taking somebody I care about away from me again.
[If any of it sounds like too much, too big of a reaction for people she's only known a handful of months, well, Claudia doesn't care. She doesn't trust easily, and she's given that to both of them. She's fiercely and deeply loyal to the ends of the earth with the small circle of people she actually extends that trust to. She digs her heels in and refuses to budge, latches deeply and quickly to those people. And in a place where she feels so alone, these two have made a world of difference in her time in the Clock. So if it's dramatic, fine, she'll wear the label like a badge of pride.]
» Makes sense. I don't particularly want to need to use the info, but I'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it.
» Oh, so he's a NICE psychopath that only kills when he HAS TO.
[The sarcasm is strong in that last text. He can probably hear it perfectly in her voice, even. She's really, really, really starting to hate this not!Wells guy already. And Cisco hasn't even gotten to the bad part yet.
She waits--impatiently checking her phone to make sure she hasn't missed a ping--as he sorts out the explanation of things. And when she does finally get those pings? Well, she's not sure what she was expecting, but it definitely wasn't any of this.
The part about Eddie is bad enough all on its own. She'd already been told about his sacrifice and to think it wasn't all that long before that, that his too-many-greats grandson or whatthefrackever Eobard even was to him (she doesn't even care, really) had kidnapped him, psychologically tortured him, starved him...she already feels sick.
And if that was bad, the next part was a hundred-fold worse. Because the part she zoned in on in the text Cisco sent about himself was 'and he murdered me'. It all hit her way too close too home. Her parents. Her brother. Jinks. Suddenly, her eyes are too clouded to see the screen and the phone falls from her hands as she reaches up to press the palms of her hands to her eyes.
No.
NO.
NO!
This doesn't get to keep happening. She doesn't get to keep being forced to suffer losses of people she cares about. She doesn't care that it already happened, that all of these things he's telling her are in the past now, that somehow he's okay and that Eddie, God, that Eddie isn't even there back in their world to feel the pain of all of it anymore. That doesn't matter. By all accounts and technicalities, so is Jinks' death, according to H.G.'s own testimonies about the future in her world. But that doesn't make it hurt any less. That doesn't make any of this okay.
So...it's a few minutes before he gets a reply and there may be some typos when he does.]
» I'm sorry.
» I'm so sorry.
» I didn't knnow. I woildn't have pressed, I should have just dropped it, I didn't mean to brfing all of this back up.
» It won't happen again. I swear to God, Cisco, if I have a single ounce of a say in anything, this fucking asshole will never hurrt either one of you again.
» I don't care who he is oor what he is or what powers he has, nothing and no oen is hurting or taking somebody I care about away from me again.
[If any of it sounds like too much, too big of a reaction for people she's only known a handful of months, well, Claudia doesn't care. She doesn't trust easily, and she's given that to both of them. She's fiercely and deeply loyal to the ends of the earth with the small circle of people she actually extends that trust to. She digs her heels in and refuses to budge, latches deeply and quickly to those people. And in a place where she feels so alone, these two have made a world of difference in her time in the Clock. So if it's dramatic, fine, she'll wear the label like a badge of pride.]
[ Oh... boy that's a lot of typos; Cisco is suddenly filled with regret. Sure, it's easier for him, telling the story by text, but that doesn't mean it's easier for Claudia. Which he should have thought of. Plus, Cisco hadn't thought about the cumulative effect of Eddie mentioning he'd killed himself, and now there's a murderous psychopath around she has to worry about, and also considering they're some of her only friends here? Probably should have done this some other way.
(Sometimes he forgets... how bad it all must sound, to someone who doesn't know about it. Cisco's gotten used to the facts of what had happened, and her reaction is a jarring reminder of just how bad it really was). ]
are you okay?
you sound super not okay i definitely shouldn't have tried to do this conversation by text?
where are you?
you better not even be THINKING of doing anything reckless right now.
[ It sounds an awful lot to Cisco like Claudia is two seconds from pulling on her shoes and going looking for Eobard to try to take him out, which is the exact opposite effect than he wanted this conversation to have. He scrambles around looking for his own shoes and types (now with his own typos, since he's rushing out the door and pulling on a jacket at the same time: ]
no one's getting taken away from you again ok
deep breathss
lemme come to you and i'll explain
nd give you a hug bc sounds i don't need ot vibe to guess u need one
(Sometimes he forgets... how bad it all must sound, to someone who doesn't know about it. Cisco's gotten used to the facts of what had happened, and her reaction is a jarring reminder of just how bad it really was). ]
are you okay?
you sound super not okay i definitely shouldn't have tried to do this conversation by text?
where are you?
you better not even be THINKING of doing anything reckless right now.
[ It sounds an awful lot to Cisco like Claudia is two seconds from pulling on her shoes and going looking for Eobard to try to take him out, which is the exact opposite effect than he wanted this conversation to have. He scrambles around looking for his own shoes and types (now with his own typos, since he's rushing out the door and pulling on a jacket at the same time: ]
no one's getting taken away from you again ok
deep breathss
lemme come to you and i'll explain
nd give you a hug bc sounds i don't need ot vibe to guess u need one
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