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Cisco Ramon ([personal profile] franciscoramon) wrote2016-01-04 12:44 pm

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causational: (for serious)

[personal profile] causational 2016-04-27 04:44 am (UTC)(link)
No kidding. It keeps getting weirder.

And I think we were already in the deep end. :) I'm glad that didn't creep you out though. I felt creepy typing it.

Yeah. I guess raising a child is something I always wanted to do. Not if it would lead to eobard, though.

He said this: 'Time finds a way to create what it wants, but re-inserting yourself into it after your demise... well, it may 'cause a shift. For better or worse.

I can't give any reassurances. This is just my educated opinion.'
causational: (half-smile)

[personal profile] causational 2016-04-27 05:22 am (UTC)(link)
Okay good. It was just. You know, my thoughts on raising chdren with you. It's a little intense.

Yeah. I'm starting to hate time travel. :(

That's true. But I mean, not to go back to the kids topic again, but there is always you having a child and us raising it as a Ramon. There are a lot of ways around it, if I can't handle not having a kid.
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causational: (deep contemplation)

[personal profile] causational 2016-04-27 05:43 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah exactly. And if anyone can find a way it's you.

[And that sounds ominous.]

...that sounds promising. I'm hunting down groceries. I'll meet you at your place?

[And he turns right away toward the closest door. The trip to Cisco's place takes more time than usual, because he's feeling more than a little hesitant about what Cisco might have to say.]
causational: (investigating)

[personal profile] causational 2016-04-27 03:30 pm (UTC)(link)
[He smiles weakly, shrugs his shoulders. It wasn't an easy conversation, for all that parts of it had been promising, becaus the topic dredged up a lot of things in him he'd rather be over, however unrealistic that is.]

Nothing relevant, I don't think. That I definitely changed my fate and was not meant to die early, which makes me an anomaly, which Stein already told me before I died.

[A beat, and then, as casually as he can, as if he could keep it from being as big a deal to Cisco as it is to him.]

That it wasn't my fault.
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causational: (full of regret)

[personal profile] causational 2016-04-27 05:03 pm (UTC)(link)
[The feeling of dread starts building the moment Cisco gets him sitting down - the fact he wants him sitting, close but not holding his hand, only serves to heighten the feeling. His breathing is already a little short by the time Cisco says 'yeah, about that' - a phrase that has never preceded something good.

Eddie listens quietly and slowly the dread gives way to horror and shock. Eddie isn't looking at Cisco when he finishes speaking, he's staring straight ahead, his lips parted, and he realizes he's taking short, hitched, too-fast breaths.

The singularity had been his fault. The singularity that had destroyed a large part of the city, had killed people, had killed Ronnie, whose wedding to Caitlin he'd attended hours before his death, who Cisco had loved like family. His breath speeds up a little more, and he pulls away from Cisco, not wanting to touch him despite all the excuses Cisco had just made on his behalf.

Eddie had killed those people, destroyed part of the city, killed Ronnie only a few hours after his wedding, while trying to be a damn hero. His breath catches in his throat with a strangled little hiccup noise and he stands abruptly, steps away from the bed, starts pacing aimlessly with both hands up and twined into his hair, pulling hard.

Waste of a life, waste of a man.

Somehow he'd managed to be even worse an influence on the timeline, on the people in his life and the lives of people he cares about, than Eobard had said, and it's his own damn fault. His breath hitches again and he realizes his eyes are stinging and his chest is aching and his throat is closed off so he can't apologize to Cisco the way he wants to. Can't babble apologies and beg for some way to get redemption and communicate how much he hates himself right now.]
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causational: (headache)

[personal profile] causational 2016-04-28 12:27 am (UTC)(link)
[Eddie's lost enough in his own head that he doesn't register when Cisco stands up - it's only when Cisco is suddenly in front of him and grabbing for his shoulders that he really sees him. And he feels guilty for it, but he can't stop himself from recoiling. It's partly a startle response, and partly because Eddie is having one of those moments where being touched feels like too much and all he wants is to have his own space, to push people away from him, to retreat somewhere safe until he can put the smiles back on.

So his whole body is rigid as Cisco keeps his hands insistently in place, then reaches up to take his hands, pull them out of his hair. He's still stiff as Cisco holds them, his heart hammering in his chest and his breath still too fast and too light, but his eyes find Cisco's face. Search it for any sign of rejection or hatred or betrayal at Eddie being the one to hurt his friends this time, to hurt his family. But there's nothing.

Instead, Cisco reaches up to take hold of him, pulling him down by the shoulder, pressing his head against his shoulder, face tucked into the crook of his neck, and Eddie stays stiff for just a moment before his whole body slumps. It's terrible, to be accepting comfort from Cisco when he's killed people trying to be a hero, killed someone Cisco cares about. But still, guiltily, hating himself, he lets his arms come up and wrap loosely around Cisco's waist, acknowledging the comfort, inhaling the scent of him.

Eddie can feel his brain starting to go a little muddled, to fall into that sneaky pattern of self-flagellation he'd gotten into the habit of during those weeks under S.T.A.R. Labs, thinking himself in circles. He can feel it starting, and so he tries to focus, to shut down, to listen to what Cisco is saying.

And having someone here who cares, who was directly affected, who doesn't seem angry at him, doesn't blame him - it helps. He's thought so many times that one of the things he cherishes about having a relationship is having someone on his side, someone to support him. And Cisco is doing that. But it's not fair to let him do it at his own expense, and so after a few moments, Eddie speaks, voice rough and hoarse.]


But I killed Ronnie.
causational: (terrified)

[personal profile] causational 2016-04-28 06:16 am (UTC)(link)
[After a few minutes, it's easier to relax and let Cisco hold him, cradle him against his shoulder and neck, and Eddie's arms tighten around his waist a little, clinging to him. So he stays still and accepts the comfort, and when Cisco starts talking he listens, because Cisco always knows what to say, to make everything better. Because Cisco approaches things in a different way than he does, he thinks in a way that gives him more options, and Cisco had said it himself - Eddie traps himself in one outcome and gives up. Cisco doesn't. Eddie is ready to abandon himself to having failed in yet another way. But Cisco isn't.

And Cisco explains, sympathizes from a place of empathy and understanding and shared experience at carrying the weight of something that wasn't his fault. It's hard, for Eddie to refuse to accept responsibility for the singularity - his entire life, he's been pushed to accept responsibility, to be responsible, and it's hard to let go of that. But he tries, because even if he doesn't believe in himself right now, Cisco does.

And then he explains more about the circumstances of Ronnie's death, that he'd made the choice to do what he did, that he was a hero. And Cisco calls them both heroes, but Eddie has a hard time believing that about himself. He shakes his head, takes a shuddery breath, can't bring himself to lift his head when he speaks, because he can't see Cisco's face right now.]


I just...I keep thinking I shouldn't have done it. That I could have found another way, I just...there was no right choice to make. But it sounds like such an excuse, when I did so much damage.
causational: (full of regret)

[personal profile] causational 2016-04-29 05:24 am (UTC)(link)
[Despite Cisco's reassurances, his comfort, the way he holds him and tries to get through to him, to explain why it wasn't his fault, why the only person he'd hurt that day had been himself, Eddie has a hard time with it. The guilt is a living thing, worming into his chest, his gut; the sense of failure is even worse, like a nail driven into him.

Cisco's words are good, but it's almost impossible to really believe them. Even if Cisco believes it, even if he's earnest, even if it makes sense, Eddie can't bring himself to throw all that blame on Eobard. There had to have been a way that didn't hurt anyone, or at least hurt fewer people. There's no way to think of himself as selfless anymore - he had died thinking he was a hero, but he had only managed to hurt people, destroy things, and hurt the people he loved.

Burying his face into Cisco's neck, he hides for a while, inhaling the comforting scent of him, letting him rub his back with strong, warm hands, comforting himself with Cisco's presence. For a moment, the desire to push Cisco away overwhelms the desire for comfort, because he doesn't deserve something so nice. Doesn't deserve to be cared about or loved, Eobard had made that intensely clear, and Eobard had been right about it, he thinks. Useless, and damaging.

Breath hitching again, he bites the inside of his lip, and is quiet, for a few moments. Unable to speak, he expresses what he's feeling by closing his fists into the back of Cisco's shirt, fingers digging into fabric.]
causational: (deeply disturbed)

[personal profile] causational 2016-04-30 06:59 am (UTC)(link)
[He's not sure why Cisco is apologizing, when none of this was his fault. Cisco was one of the blameless ones, him and Iris and Joe, Ronnie and Caitlin. The people who hadn't done anything to contribute to what had happened, people who were victims. Even if he throws all the fault on Eobard, Eobard is still his responsibility, his descendant, his fault. Eobard came from him, and he can't just ignore that either. Eddie was the one who deserved to die because of Eobard, and no one else. Not Ronnie. Not anyone.

His eyes squeeze closed and he shivers a little, exhaling a rush of breath, resting his weight against Cisco, and when Cisco begs him to let him help, for Eddie to talk to him, he swallows hard, gnaws at his lower lip. With his brain going a million miles an hour, all sickening guilt that burns in his gut like acid, it's hard to work out what words he could say that would make sense.

After a moment, he exhales shakily, and speaks, his voice a little hitched.]


I...Eobard is my fault too. My responsibility.
causational: (full of regret)

[personal profile] causational 2016-05-01 06:46 pm (UTC)(link)
[As much as Cisco might not think logic would work, it does have a surprisingly strong impact on Eddie. Empathetic and emotional as he is, he's a logical person. He understands cause and effect, action and consequence, and when Cisco explains things the way he does, it makes sense. Especially when he equates it to his own life, what he knows about his own family tree.

It makes sense, and it alleviates some of Eddie's fears. His body relaxes a little as he rests against Cisco, lets his strong hands rub firm gentle circles against his back. He accepts the comfort for a few moments, and listens. When Cisco starts equating it to things that Barry or Harrison or Cisco himself could have done to stop Eobard, he starts shaking his head a little, breath catching in his throat, because that's not how it is in his head. It's not the reasoning he was following.]


No, no. [He lifts his head so he can look at Cisco, jaw a little tight against the embarrassment of knowing his eyes are red-rimmed and stinging, even if he hasn't cried. But he wants to be looking Cisco in the face when he says it.]

I know that I didn't do anything to make him the way he is, and there's nothing...absolutely nothing, that you or Barry or Harrison did wrong to make him the way he is. No one could have changed that. [He swallows hard, and he can't hold eye contact, not while saying the next part.]

What is my fault is that he exists in the first place. He came from me, my bloodline. I'm not naive enough to think there's some evil lurking in my genetics or anything, but if I hadn't done what people do...if I hadn't fallen in love, had a family...he wouldn't exist. Me, doing those things, that's why he had a chance to become what he became for whatever reason he did. If I'd just...if I hadn't been so selfish, insisting on...

[He shakes his head, swallows hard past a dry lump in his throat.]

That's why I was the only one who deserved to die to take him out of the timeline. Not Ronnie, not any of the other people who were hurt or killed by the singularity. Just me. It should only, ever, have been me.
causational: (deep contemplation)

[personal profile] causational 2016-05-02 05:42 am (UTC)(link)
[It isn't that he's afraid of showing Cisco how he feels - it's a complicated thing, the desire to keep his composure. An ingrained response, a desire not to look stupid and weak, a desire not to be seen that way. It had always helped him, to keep pushing those things down somewhere deep inside himself so he could remain functional. Iris had always allowed it, had never pushed hard to make him express himself.

Cisco doesn't make it easy to keep things bottled up. When his hands come up to cup Eddie's face, he glances up at him, his blue eyes flicking up to Cisco's dark ones for a moment before he looks down again. Cisco is always fighting on his behalf, it seems, feeling so intensely all the things Eddie should probably be expressing and can't bring himself to. Cisco is reassuring him, protective of him, almost angry on his behalf as he tells him he didn't deserve to die.

After a few moments, after Cisco is done speaking, he finally manages to hold eye contact, takes a few shaky breaths.]


I wanted to be perfect. [It seems so simple.] Have a good career and a family. If I'd just stopped wanting that for myself and stayed the fat kid, I probably wouldn't have had any of that, and... [He shrugs.] That sounds really stupid, doesn't it? Now that I said it out loud, it sounds really stupid.

[For a moment, he's still. Quiet. He doesn't do well at this, expressing himself. He isn't good at it. It's hard to know what to say to people, but after a moment he speaks again.]

If not me, then who?
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causational: (lost in thought)

[personal profile] causational 2016-05-03 05:19 am (UTC)(link)
[Sometimes it catches him off-guard when Cisco stays still and listens to him and the expression on his face clearly communicates that he's taking it in, that he's processing it, that he's taking time with Eddie's words and thoughts, his feelings, and for a moment, his heart and his belly tense up because it's so strange to be heard like this. No one has ever really taken time to hear him, to put this much thought into what he's saying and unravel it for him because they want to make him feel better.

His throat is tight and for a few moments, after Cisco finishes speaking, he can't talk. Instead, he just leans his head forward and presses it against Cisco's forehead, breathes carefully, a ragged and trembling thing.]


I guess I just... [He holds his breath for a second, because speaking is hard, physically and mentally. It's hard to come out and say the things he has in his mind because they always sound so stupid out loud.] ...I thought that doing what I did would fix it. That it would be a sacrifice that was worth it and realizing what happened afterward, I thought...maybe it wasn't. Because I just hurt more people.

[His hands come up to cup Cisco's face between them, and he swallows hard, past a lump in his throat.] I saved you, though. [It's breathed out, almost a whisper.] And you make me so happy.

[Another shaky exhalation, and he brushes his thumbs against Cisco's cheekbones, hands still on either side of his face.] Why are you so good to me?
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causational: (kind of hurt)

[personal profile] causational 2016-05-05 03:57 am (UTC)(link)
I know that. I know. It just...

[It doesn't seem fair. It's hard to wrap his head around the idea that he hadn't done anything wrong, that he couldn't have done anything different, that he hadn't screwed things up somehow. That if he'd just behaved in a different way, done different things, then none of this would have happened. He wouldn't have died, Cisco and Iris and Barry and Joe and everyone else wouldn't have been hurt. Whenever he thinks about Eobard, tries to make it make sense in his head, the only thing that works is that Eddie had done something wrong by wanting a family.]

I guess it's easier to blame myself than accept that.

[His voice is soft, rough, and he falls quiet as Cisco teases him, then leans in to kiss him and afterward says in a voice that's softer and more honest that he thinks Eddie is a good person, and he deserves it. A weak but genuine smile crosses Eddie's face, and he leans in to press a soft kiss against Cisco's lower lip, then sighs softly.]

You're so good, and I just don't know how you put up with my moping sometimes. [A little laugh, equally weak, and he closes his eyes for a moment.] I'll make it up to you. I promise.
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